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They absolutely should be, those videos should be removed and YouTube and Tiktok should be held liable for the damage that they do when they show people at their most vulnerable and turn them into clowns for entertainment. I’d be willing to support a movement built around stopping the idea that existing in public means agreeing to having your image posted for billions to see and mock and for YouTube to make money from.

Call me none of the above. If someone is drugged they are considered incapable of consent, pornhub is not making sure their actors are sober.

My criticisms of the porn and sex industry come from a place of worker’s rights and safety and from the importance of consent as a freely given act so people who just decide to video tape themselves having sex, have proper safety precautions for dealing with seminal and vaginal fluids, all of whom have the right at any point to destroy access to those videos, all of whom are in a mindset to consent, none of them necessarily needing the money to survive (because fuck me or starve, fuck me or die on the streets, fuck me or get deported aren’t actual choices. The same applies to ‘work for me or starve, die on the streets, get deported.’), who get to actively decide who’s watching to continue their consent. Those people are fine, power to them, but I don’t think they represent a majority of the industry and I to get to the point where they are the industry needs to be looked at critically.

the fact that criticizing the sex industry is seen as more oppressive than the sex industry itself should really make people think

Actually you know what, that element of the reply was fair we should absolutely be arguing about the lack of ethics regarding the constant monitoring state we’re in. It’s fucked up that vulnerable people can have their most horrific moments shared online forever without their permission with the only recourse being maybe the site might take it down possibly if they ask with no actual guarantee. It’s really gross that one crap moment could end up ruining your life because now your potential employer sees you as ‘unstable’ or ‘bad for the company’s image’. Why are we as a society acting like that’s fine?

If you sincerely want me to fuck off, say it again in the next reply or don’t reply at all. It seems like you replied because you wanted to have a conversation but if you don’t I won’t make you have one.

That being said I’m not pro-religion and I’d like any kind of citation of ‘faux feminism’ being equally responsible for abuse as an industry where the vast majority of people express that they do not want to be involved in it but lack the means to escape. I’d like to know how faux feminism compares to Pornhub’s founder admitting to profiting from videos made without the consent of its users.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/pornhub-parent-company-admits-receiving-proceeds-sex-trafficking-and-agrees-three-year

Your argument isn’t even pro-sex-industry though, it’s just saying, ‘other groups are also bad so don’t look at this one’. Should I not critique Amazon because it pays its workers and Nestle and Apple use actual literal child and slave labor or are all four groups worth fucking despising for how they take advantage of vulnerable people?

the fact that criticizing the sex industry is seen as more oppressive than the sex industry itself should really make people think

I love tone policing the anger of marginalized groups for the comfort of their oppressors. What if the upper class stopped wanting to help the poor (something they wanted to do in the first place, for sure) because we keep making Guillotine memes and threatening them :( what if white people don’t like it when they’re called cracker and have to think about how they benefit from prison and slave labor :(( how can you blame someone for wanting gay people dead if they’re doing it because we keep making ‘are the straights okay?’ Jokes and they heard someone call them a breeder a few times. It’s honestly their fault if people want them dead because they were soooooo meaaaaaaaaaaaaaan :((((((

Alright this is gonna be tough for alot of ya'll to hear but leftist and progressive spaces need to be more welcoming to men especially cis het white men. The more we speak bad about men the more men will go down the alt right pipeline. And obviously that's a bad thing. If we want men to be on our side we should create a space where they can also feel included because if we don't more men will go down the alt right and alpha male pipeline

i'm sorry if this question is dumb but why women in islamic countries don't just fight back? why they don't protest? why they don't do anything? if every single woman and girl in islam countries go to protest they would win right? men can't kill half of the human population

why don't women just stop being oppressed

I kind of don’t think Man Identified Females should be in female sports. They are still females, but they’re females who’re on steroids that in any other context would be considered doping.

Okay last post for the night.

A person recommended on a post to look up the white supremicist concept of ‘the right to comfort’, so I look it up and find that it’s kind of irrelevant to what they were talking about (No actually, thinking wearing a ball gag in public as an exhibitionist kink without making sure everyone there wants to be a part of said experience isn’t related to this) BUT it is relevant to other things. The right to comfort is about people with power (specifically white people in America) disliking conflict. It’s more important to keep the peace than to actually discuss or fight for any of our rights. Everyone should just calm down and be nice, no one can take you seriously if you come across as too mean. It’s about tone policing, dishonesty and silencing of victim’s voices because their experiences make you too uncomfortable to think about.

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Anyway.

I want a wife by Judy Brady really is a summary of why the patriarchy continues to exist. If your capable of never thinking of what the other person might want, if you’re able to dehumanize them enough to never consider that they exist in their own right… Who wouldn’t want a sex mommy who does everything for you and is always pleasant. That’s fundamentally why I don’t think males can escape the patriarchy merely by embracing their own femininity. If the choice is between ‘sometimes people make fun of you if you act a certain way… But you get the (often unhappy but never unpleasant) sex mommy I mentioned earlier’ or ‘You can cry or wear a purse, be as feminine as you want but female people have rights and most of them won’t want to be your sex mommy and will might even require you to help them while they work.’ The only reason to pick the latter is if you actually see female people as human and her wants and needs as equal value to your own (or if you’re not attracted to females, that can build a bridge of empathy but well. Sometimes it’s just a continued expectation of labor except without the sex. Sometimes they still believe in male supremacy but see us as lacking value altogether.) So much of regressive politics around female people are built around this deal it’s kind of ridiculous when people act like it doesn’t exist.

Female people should be more ‘shallow’ tbh.

Males are allowed ‘shallowness’ all the time, you ask a male about his preferences and they’re rarely like, ‘I care about people’s hearts and souls UwU.’ No! He’ll say the most shallow shit imaginable! And no one will rush out to hate on them or find some way to ‘correct’ them for saying they like a woman with a fat ass. Female people are socialized and pressured out of admitting any hint of what they’re actually attracted to, female people are denied enthusiastic desire and lust and just. Let yourself be shallow and choosy and picky. Males don’t worry about being considered shallow when they call females over 160 ‘whales’. This isn’t even a call to be as cruel as they are about taste, just hoping to help some people move past their shame and guilt.

me when i’m trapped in a tall tower for all my life and the only access to the outside world i have is through social media

This whole Natalie B situation shows how people prioritize the comfort of bio men over women's safety.

They will always attack and wish death on women who don't want men in their spaces but never pay attention to how these trans-identified men harass women in women's spaces.

"Your rights as women are inextricably tied with the rights of other minority groups, which means your liberation is too" Sure, makes sense, but why is it that I literally never see anyone saying this about other minority groups' liberation movements without getting (rightfully) smacked down for trying to All Lives Matter a minority-specific issue? This literally only happens with feminism. Bffr.

When prison abolitionists argue that economic equality will help ease some crimes, they are right. When prison abolitionists argue that economic equality will stop wife beating and spousal abuse, they are falling for the male apologist lie that men only beat their wives and girlfriends when they have a good reason. Rich men, men with great social networks, well-liked men—all men who might beat their wives just as much as an angry working class drunk.

Honestly if someone doesn’t want to date me because I’m black… Fine? Why should I give a shit, there are plenty of people who’d date me and not give a shit. If it came down to some gross secondary beliefs about black females, than the problem isn’t ’they don’t want to date me :(‘ it’s ’they believe black females are dirty’ or whatever and that’s the thing we’d have to talk about. The dating part would be irrelevant. And if someone ever felt forced to ‘At least give a black female a chance’ it’d be REALLY uncomfortable and objectifying. Like, this has nothing to do with me or how interesting I am, you’re here because you don’t want to feel racist. I could be replaced with any nonwhite person. I’m just a prop here. It seems kind of fucked up why do people act like they want that?

anticapitalist e-commies when you say that the sex industry is exploitative

look I'm not even on the "you gotta always vote" train but it is funny how the people who didn't vote for harris are like...able to conceive of voting as a collective action when it comes to them not voting, but then uhm also it's just one vote in a blue state it doesn't even matter guys. okay which is it is it a collective act or like an individual nothing matters thing to do like does voting matter enough for not voting to matter or does voting not matter enough for not voting to not matter like which is it 🎤

Thinking about that reply that one time that went something like, ‘finding out the capitalist patriarchal system takes advantage of vulnerable groups for sex should make a leftist angry and want to fight back. But instead the pro-sex-work crowd uses the system at large being crappy and exploitative as a way to shrug off the notion of prostitution being bad.’

Mostly because posts on my dash are reminding me of it. People are like, ‘womp womp capitalism’s always bad’ you don’t act that way about Amazon and their pee bottles. You get mad at the inhumane treatment of impoverished people! Suddenly the status quo of exploiting impoverished people is fine when it’s for sex. It’s so bullshit.

Do not interact if you're under 19.

[TW rape mention, sa mention, sex work]

so people who can see the exploitation of women in industry and they don't like it are "puritans" now. What's the point we missed? That women are sold into this industry, forced, and raped on camera? What's the point we missed? How can you be sure that these women aren't on drugs? I saw an interview with few of the sex workers and one said that she couldn't do that until she was on drugs and all her colleagues endured it and received physical and psychological traumas. What's the point we missed?

Y'all will be "listen to sex workers!" Until thousands of them come out and say they were exploited, abused, and traumatized, and then you tell them to "shut up!" and just ignore their experience, you are not "progressive", you just hate victims and women.

I don’t care if a woman is amongst the worst human beings to walk this earth, if you believe that writing or imagining rape and sexually violent fantasies is an acceptable response to their actions you should stay far away from women. I don’t care if they’re transgender-exclusive, I don’t care if they’re conservative, I don’t care if they’re a criminal. Your fantasies reflect what you’re capable of thinking about all women.

Malika Sherawat SPEAKS out about the violence against Women and Girls in INDIA

wild how many "karen gets karma" and "karen is put in her place" videos there are on youtube top results, yet so few incel equivalents. just "what incels believe", "the world of incels", "why incels exist". why do men with awful beliefs get analysis videos, explanations, understanding, and agency but women with awful beliefs get put in their place on camera?

not even lukewarm but cold take: if you're a childfree woman that experiences opposite sex attraction you should only be with men that are VEHEMENTLY child-free. Men who get a vasectomy or refuse to have any sort of sex without protection. Any man that's on the fence while you're strongly convinced about the fact that you do not want children, will eventually turn on you and want children.

I struggle to throw myself into traditional black power spaces not just because they are either unrealistic or overly confident in the power of assimilation. But because in a lot of instances, one of the most core issues is not being properly addressed or solved: the safety and prosperity of black womyn.

Too many times, these groups want to reestablish conservative control of womyn (stay home, have babies, "the black family," stop "acting like a man",) but just hang a pan african flag on them. Never mind that in so many instances, the first man to hurt a black womyn is a black man. Be that in parental neglect, sexual abuse, public degradation, and the ever popular sport of comparing black womyn to other races of womyn. You want this "black family" to preserve the black culture in the U.S. and want to restructure the very framework of the U.S. (which, yes, good) but don't want to chide and punish the men in the movement who are able to commit violence of varying forms against black womyn without much more than a "be better, my brother" or telling his victims to forgive.

I'll get more into traditional black power groups when the black men start whoopin the asses of the other black men abusing their "black queens." But until then, the only black power movements I'm interested in are the ones led by and, at this point, entirely composed of black womyn.

Actually might as well say it, hate DNI and Trigger Warning culture all you like. I won’t pretend block and stay safe bullshit doesn’t close people’s minds off from dissenting viewpoints- it does. But that aspect of Tumblr was the first time I was told that what I wanted mattered more than what other people wanted from me. And honestly if Tumblr didn’t have a culture of ‘get the off of my blog if you’re a heel’ than I think I’d have a harder time with radical consent as a belief. ‘It doesn’t matter how nice you are, it doesn’t matter how much it makes you sad, you aren’t owed my mind, space, body or time.’ Isn’t something society tells people enough (and in fact female socialization encourages openness over boundaries to their detriment.)

Dear god, I thought shitty modern art would stop at "banana taped to a wall" but now it's escalated to "keep three piglets caged in an art gallery and make them slowly starve to death in front of audiences".

they've been doing that sort of thing for a while, there was one maybe ten years ago where someone displayed a bunch of individual goldfish in powered blenders that the audience could choose to turn on or not

the thing about this sort of stuff though is that the audience response and the audience response TO the audience response is also part of the art, so "me beating your ass in an art gallery for liquifying a fish in front of me" is now a commentary on the the place of individual choice in a larger society.

also someone broke in and stole those piglets, which is an even funnier response, because now this art piece is a commentary on general human decency and there's nothing the artist can do about it

Most Radfems and the like don’t respect DNIs- which I honestly think kind of sucks in its own way. You don’t owe me or anyone your time or attention and I’m not owed access to your blog. A DNI is a polite request to respect a boundary and you- the person reading this- your right to your own space and your own boundaries matters. Never let anyone make you believe the lines that you place don’t matter.

Sometimes I respond to posts on my for you out of habit though and don’t check blogs beforehand. If I break your DNI, I’m sorry especially if I do so in a way that triggers you. Please curate your online experiences as needed.

The punching down of a multibillion dollar industry

the fact that criticizing the sex industry is seen as more oppressive than the sex industry itself should really make people think

Nitpicky hyperonline post

Tbh it’s a bit weird when I see Radfem posts about the trans-ification of tomboys that say that they’re ’turning them into men’. Because you know, they’re not? It’s a quibble but it’s worth remembering when that 20 year old draws random vaguely masculine female character with top surgery scars, that isn’t an act of sex bending. Mind, there’s a long history of sex bending in fandom spaces- it’s a fictional space so it’d be really easy to go, ‘this is x as a male’, but they go out of their way to keep the character female and advertise cosmetic surgery as a way to make them ‘more themselves’. Admittedly this frames the whole thing as deeply sinister- I don’t think people saying ‘hormones would save them’ have actually thought about what that statement implies or who it benefits.

being homosexual and not wanting to sleep with the opposite sex isn’t having a genital fetish you absolute FREAKS, genitals are LITERAL erogenous zones??? that’s called having a healthy sexuality and is uhhh kind of the point of having sex, which is very unlike having an actual fetish that’s directed at an OBJECT (not normal) instead of another human’s literal sexed body (very normal!)

so stop projecting and go cut your internet cables or something